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symbolisms super commonly mentioned in the <10 accounts ive read
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Switching is a bit odd. In our case, my host either takes a backseat as in like, becomes the "tulpa" to an extent as I pretty much control the body, thoughts, everything. He can spend time in the wonderland with my sister but this hasn't been the case all too much lately. Symbolism won't do that suddenly of course, but it can be used to assist achieving said method as long as it's understood of what it fully is. Despite that, we go into full circle - As Luna said, there really isn't a consensus about what switching is 100%, as I've heard many different things in regards to it. Some people seem to get possession confused with switching.
10:12 PM
Perhaps the best way to describe switching is advanced disassociation, somewhat. (edited)
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I just wish someone could actually explain the method for someone to switch out that doesn't include symbolism, but so far everyone I've asked just can't.
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We used sybolism at first to assist in switching, but as we get better at it, we use it less and less
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I think my first switching was caused by strong emotions that only I owned (edited)
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I don't believe that it is possible to describe how to switch via language
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I didn't really plan to switch then. I realized my host become dormant and I can't give control back to him.
10:15 PM
It lasted for 15 min or so
10:16 PM
But after that I was able to repeat it, but not that deeply
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The first time that we switched was only for 2-3 minutes
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I think the significant difference between possession and switching is host being dormant in the latter. Possession is like fronting as 2 identities, switching is like fronting while being a tulpa
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I feel like if we just made one small breakthrough then we'd be able to reach our goal, so far though my host hasn't really budged despite everyone's best efforts
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I mean, it's like we become me.
10:18 PM
Maybe you try too hard, Piano
10:19 PM
And believe me, switching is not really a big deal. And tulpamancy is not collecting achievements.
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i've heard of hosts becoming overwhelmed or upset and that allowing for switches to happen easily
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People can diagnose whatever issue we've had as much as they like, but nobody's actually given us any real solutions (edited)
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That might be a case too, wemmy. In my case I was overwhelmed by strong emotions and I think that triggered it.
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the most detailed accountt i read was about someone using symbolism to detach from their senses and they let the tulpa take over from there
10:20 PM
no personal experience however
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My host being overwhelmed with emotions makes it harder for us to front, since she's preoccupied with her own thoughts
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Then try to reverse it, Piano
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ya i get like that too GWfroggyMonkaMega
10:21 PM
i feel like neuroticism impedes forcing for me too bcus i can be so preoccupied, on a tangent lol
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Although it's not that easy to get overwhelmed by strong emotions on demand.
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We usually give her time to process her emotions before taking back over again
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Wemmy, that's pretty much what switching is for us. Detaching and letting the tulpa attach.
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I look at it quite different
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Lyra just can't figure out how to do the "detaching" part
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When you switch, you don't detach. You become your tulpa.
10:27 PM
You take their identity
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@Felight so
10:29 PM
What I've come to understand
10:29 PM
Actually, Luna just described it
10:29 PM
But I can go into more detail
10:31 PM
So, Piano, when one of you are in the body, Lyra usually stops talking, right?
10:32 PM
But you feel that she's still experiencing the body's senses
10:32 PM
That right there is where the key lies
10:33 PM
That's not actually her experiencing the body, that's a permanent fixture of the mind
10:33 PM
You have to make that part of yourself
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It is her though, she doesn't go anywhere
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That's what we used to thinj
10:34 PM
Okay
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It's still her. She's free to do whatever she likes, and she interacts with Blair, even if we're the ones fronting. She doesn't go away, she can just be suppressed if we focus on fronting enough
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What do you expect to happen if you switch
10:35 PM
Do you expect her to experience anything
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Her to go inactive like us tulpas do
10:35 PM
where we no longer are aware of what's going on, no longer experience things, until someone brings us back
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Does she expect to experience blacking out
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Hmm... Are you sure that model is right?
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All we have to go off of are our own experiences and the experiences of others. Plenty of people have claimed their hosts go inactive in that way, and us tulpas go inactive like that, so it's what we're aiming for. I don't want to move the goalpost because others disagree that it's like that
10:37 PM
it's just going to be your word against theirs in the long run
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Going active and inactive is abstraction itself. What does it mean to go inactive? What does it mean to be active?
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Those people aren't wrong, I'm just suggesting that you're understanding of what they are describing is flawd
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My host hasn't gone dormant/inactive, ever. She's always there, aware of everything.
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But she stops thinking, right?
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By inactive I mean you're no longer aware of what's going on, no longer perceiving/thinking at all
10:39 PM
my host still is aware and perceives, but no she doesn't do thinking of her own unless she takes back over
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Then you've essentially switched, but don't understand or believe that you switched, because you believe that what's left experiencing the body is still her. And because you believe it so, it is so.
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It really depends how we model it.
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It is her, there's really no denying that
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In a sense, we are still our hosts.
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I'm experiencing the body on top of her experiencing it.
10:42 PM
Even if she's quiet and doesn't say anything herself for days on end, she's still there
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To switch, that bit that you believe to be Lyra has to become part of you
10:43 PM
And cease to be part of her
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sounds like co consciousness more than switching but i mean people define things differently
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What they're doing is co consciousness
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I don't know how she is to go from aware but not thinking to unaware/inactive, other than just by dumb luck one day
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It'll require either tricking part the mind, or changing your perspective, or maybe some sort of meditation thing
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She used to try to pull away more sometimes, and that would cause us to completely freeze up. But I'm thinking now that more time has passed and we've had a lot more experience fronting, it should be easier for her to switch out fully once we figure out how
10:47 PM
we've had moments where she felt faint, but not enough to say she was inactive
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do you guys have a lot of bleed-over with ur thoughts
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If I'm not trying too hard to be the one fronting then sure
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i heard from someone who switched thats unproductive 4 switching
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she'll put on her videos and stuff
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but usual disclaimer im just a person in a room etc etc
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soon enough we'll be going to college and will have more things to do, so I feel that will provide us with more opportunity to front strongly, rather than just sitting around all day
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i feels it
10:49 PM
am excited to work for that reason
10:49 PM
best of luck to yall
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you guy ever have a hard time forcing due to worrying about the end of the world?
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Haha, I tend to push those kinds of thoughts out of my head.
2:18 AM
I don't think the world will be ending any time before my natural death.
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It's hard not have the climate change stuff get to ya(not that I feel they are wrong), the whole death spiral that they say could happen is what gets me.
2:28 AM
I guess it just gets worse when I'm trying to get into my own head for forcing then I get in a spiral myself thinking about it and trying to figure out something to do about it or at least prep
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I find it best to focus only on those things which we can control.
2:35 AM
For example, do whatever is in your power to reduce your own footprint. Otherwise, hope that those brilliant minds of our generation can find a way to begin scrubbing the atmosphere.
2:36 AM
Do what you can to be productive to society, and let time play out as it will.
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I can understand that and for the most part that's how I normally do things, I have gotten better I have at least once fell asleep teary eyed worried about one of those gamma pulses from a quasar or something but that was back when I was like 13
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Ah, besides; it's not so much that you should be introspecting. Forcing is a time to focus on your tulpa. Give your attention to them, just like you would a friend or family member if you were spending time with them in real life. (edited)
2:42 AM
Surely you aren't discussing your fears of potential doomsday scenarios with Hanna?
2:42 AM
Or, if you are, I suppose that still counts.
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It's not so much introspection just trying to get away from the outside world, I do talk to Hanna about pretty much everything that crosses my mind normally and as this is my current focus and might be for some time it's what I talk about the hardest part is stopping and trying to hear Hanna when passive forcing throughout the day.
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Do you meditate, Aren?
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Deleted User 8/14/2018 6:47 AM
question for tulpas: while living in your host's head, do you see out of your own eyes what your host sees in their mind's eye, or do you see out of your host's eyes?
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bduddy #Diana# 8/14/2018 6:48 AM
#I would say I see out of the body's eyes. We share them! They're not just his.#
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